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    July 9, 2011
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visit bengay.com/relief for a $3.00 coupon. love the nubs! betty ford, the former first lady leaves behind a remarkable leg yeas. we look at her life, and how talking about her troubles proved an inspiration to millions. the latest jobs report showing a standstill in hiring. why were the numbers such a surprise? also, what lies ahead for casey anthony as reports surface about her mother being turned away after trying to make a jailhouse visit? ♪ >> and a big turnaround for the music industry. how artists like lady gaga played a big role in the
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recovery. good morning. i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday. first we go to the legacy of betty ford. the former first lady completely changed the way americans talk about addiction, breast cancer, and other tough issues that people used to deal with in silence. mrs. ford died last night at the age of 93, and she said she was an ordinary woman called on stage at an extraordinary time. nbc's brian williams has more. ♪ >> reporter: we got to know her all over again during the week of mourning for president gerald ford, her strength and dignity still intact 30 years after leaving the white house. >> i was an ordinary woman called on stage at an extraordinary time. >> the president's first and our first lady, betty ford. >> reporter: elizabeth bloomer ford, never expected to be anything other than a congressman's wife.
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>> his wife, betty ford. >> reporter: but she became first lady the day richard nixon resigned. it was, she later said, the saddest day of her life. >> i'm indebted to no man and only to one woman, my dear wife. >> i didn't know what i was getting into, and i don't think there's anything that can prepare you for it. >> reporter: this first white house press conference terrified her, but it was nothing compared to what came seven weeks later. >> betty ford underwent surgery for breast cancer on saturday. >> dr. lou cash has assured me that she came through the operation all right. >> reporter: betty ford openly and courageously faced breast cancer and a radical mastectomy inspiring countless women to get breast exams themselves. she lobbied for a woman on the supreme court and publicly supported abortion rights. >> in our own family my dear
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wife, she -- >> reporter: but the president did listen. >> you have come a long, long way. >> reporter: she grew to love being first lady, a former professional dancer, she found plenty of opportunities to step out, and along the way met some of the world's most interesting people. >> we're just good friends. >> betty ford is considered by many to be the president's biggest asset. >> reporter: when gerald ford lost the 1976 election, his voice gone, he turned to his wife to read his concession. >> the real spokesman for the family, betty. rirchlg the fords retired to california only to confront another crisis. >> on friday mrs. betty ford was released from hospital treatment for addiction to pain killing drugs and alcohol. >> reporter: once again, by honestly and publicly facing a very personal problem betty ford
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became a pioneering role model. >> having this happen to me has been the best thing in the world. i have never felt better. >> reporter: she made recovery from substance abuse her mission, co-founding the betty ford center in 1982 and helping untold thousands of people. >> i'm very, very proud of betty with her leadership at the betty ford center. >> reporter: betty ford faced perhaps her greatest challenge with the death of her husband in 2006, the closing chapter in an extraordinary 58-year marriage. all her life as first lady and long afterward betty ford found the strength to face her challenges head on, giving countless others the courage to do the very same thing and that was her gift. >> i'm delight that i can carry a message. i think that's what we're here on this earth for, to help others. >> reporter: brian williams, nbc
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news, new york. >> betty ford's family is traveling to southern california to organize services for the former first lady as reaction pours in to the news of her death. our correspondent is right outside the eisenhower medical center. an early good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning to you as well, alex. we should learn much more about those funeral plans later on during an afternoon press conference, and at that press conference we do expect to hear from the ford family. either directly or more likely indirectly through a family spokesperson. in the meantime, reaction to betty ford's death is pouring in from all corners of the country as well as the world. we want to share with you what president obama had to say. this was last night. as our nation's first lady, she was a powerful advocate for women's health and women's rights. after leaving the white house, mrs. ford helped reduce the social stigma surrounding addiction and inspired thousands to seek much needed treatment.
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george h.w. bush, former president bush, also said the following. "no one confronted life's struggles with more fortitude or honesty, and as a result, we all learned from the challenges she faced. the betty ford center, which already has helped change the lives of thousands of people, will be her lasting legacy of care and concern." obviously, the betty ford center is a big fixture in this community here. in fact, it's right here on the campus of the medical center here, and we do expect to chime in with all those world leaders talking about mrs. ford's death. we do expect to hear from many, many people in this community as the fords made this place their home for 35 years after gerald ford left the presidency. alex. >> all right, nbc's aditi roy. thank you so much. well, parts of the country are seeing record breaking heat. texas and oklahoma have exceeded their average of 100 degree days. it's only july here on the calendar, and now nbc meteorologist bill karins.
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good morning, bill. >> well, a great saturday morning to you, alex. continuing to watch the heat. that's the story of the summer. it's not moving. its center over the top of texas and oklahoma. we're not going to see any relief of cool air. we would like to see the high drift to the east coast and giver the middle of the country a break or drift to the west coast, but so far we've been warm on the east and west coast, and really hot in the middle. check out the 100 degree days. oklahoma city, 19 100 degree days already. that's well above their average. that's more than las vegas. austin, texas, and dallas. you're right behind at 17 and 14. of course, you expect the desert areas of arizona to have a lot. now, because of all the dry conditions, the drought is just horrible. historic drought conditions. that deep red is where we have an exceptional drought. pretty much all of the southern one-third of our nation is under drought conditions, and the agriculture and the farms and even lakes are starting to dry up many in some places. the southeast, late rainfall this afternoon with your typical
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thunderstorms. also in the northeast, mid-atlantic, looks like a beautiful saturday. we do have to watch the northern plains. that's going to be the stormy spot on saturday and on sunday. it's not going to rain all day, but around minneapolis, up to the dakotas, and even wisconsin, you could be dodging afternoon storms here and there, and that heat continues, especially around dallas. 100 degree heat will continue today, tomorrow, right into next week. your friends in oklahoma will be right there with you with at least 100 each and every day. hot conditions, alex. not going anywhere any time fast. back to you. >> thanks for the heads up. a surprise move by casey anthony just eight days before her release from a florida jail. let's go details from lila luciano. what happened here? >> reporter: good morning to you, alex. well, one of the developments of this story is that casey anthony already declined a request by her mother, cindy, to go visit her in jail. she had requested to see her daughter yesterday at 7:00 p.m., but casey declined that.
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now, another topic that's been grabbing headlines for the past few days is caylee's law. caylee's law is a demand by the public in separate states. we've heard from several lawmakers kroot the country. we're seeing their constituents are demanding this a bill is drafted in order to make it a felony for a parent of a child 12 years old or younger not to report their kid missing for a period of about 48 hours. this would be the window where it's still legal for a parent to have doubts. you know, where is my child? let me make the right calls. perhaps if a child goes away from the home or runs away, it's still allowed, but once the 48 hours are reached, it would be a felony for a parent so they could face up to 15 years in jail in different states if the law is, of course, passed, not to report their children missing. the fact that this florida law -- this law was not in place in florida is obviously would have made it possible for casey anthony to walk. in florida an on-line has
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already acquired 700,000 signatures for this law to be passed in florida. >> yeah. >> can i ask you quickly about the money we're hearing? strangers sending money to casey in jail? >> this is a rather bizarre turn. incomprehensible. yes. casey anthony's account in jail already has about $300 from -- that comes from private donations, people sending money orders for $10, $20. it's -- the money is coming from across the country and even canada. what she's done with the money is buy candy. apparently she's been celebrating with skittles, reeses and kit kats and buying makeup to prepare for her big departure from jail. >> interesting. >> lila luciano, thank you for that. let's go now to the countdown to raise the debt ceiling is ticking. top leaders from both parties will meet with president obama tomorrow to try to strike a
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deal. today president obama said his weekly address in terms of the big picture, both sides have similar interests. >> we agree on some of the big things. we agreed that after a decade of racking up deficits in debt we need to get our fiscal house in order. we agreed that to do that both sides are going to have to step outside of their comfort zones and make political sacrifices. and we agree that we simply cannot afford to default on our national obligations for the first time in our history. >> joining me now white house correspondent mike vicaro. a good saturday morning to you, my friend. we're talking about the similarities there. the president is making that point. are there enough of them to get a deal done this weekend? >> well, yeah. what's interesting is the predicate for this entire conversation is cutting spending, cutting the government budget, and that is something that republicans view as a victory in and of itself. however, there are still plenty of contentious issues, and a lot hangs in the balance, alex. s we are entering a very
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critical weekend, and in the balance a possible default of u.s. government full faith in kril credit and what some are calling a possible worldwide economic catastrophe. you saw the president there. he says a lot of people are getting out of their comfort zone working over the weekend. that might be one indication minor and trivial, though it may be, that people are certainly taking this seriously. he met on thursday with congressional leaders. he has asked them to come back tomorrow night at 6:00 here at the white house with their bottom line proposals. democrats say anything -- any changes to social security and medicare, that's their big sticking point. that's something sheer wary of. for republicans it's anything that looks like a tax raise. a republican leader in the house of representatives is out of spokane, washington, she had the response to the president today. >> republicans have maintained there can be no increase in the national debt limit unless it's accompanied by serious spending cuts and reforms. to be truly serious, these cuts should exceed the amount by
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which president obama wants the debt limit increased, and there can be no job crushing tax hikes on families and small businesses. >> alex, they're talking about a phrase called a grand bargain here. this could be a truly historic proportion. on the table as much as $4 trillion in cuts here. we're talking about cuts to those entitlement programs, to defense spending, and even some revenue raisers, which is a washington euphemism for raising taxes or ending tax breaks. that is the big sticking point as we go to the meeting tomorrow night. alex. >> thank you, mike. >> okay. the grieving after a fan's tragic fall at a baseball game. the reaction to the texas rangers at the bottom of the hour. first, a horse makes a break for it and goes for a run that never seems to end. it's one of the stories you may have missed this week.
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still in june with the unemployment rate rising for the third month in a row. 14 million americans are without jobs. half of them for six months or more. the report was a surprise to many economists who had been raising job growth estimates. cnbc's senior economics reporter steve leaseman told me earlier that there's virtually no silver lining in these numbers.
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>> what happened is that this jobs report came over and poured a big bucket of cold water on hopes of a quicker recovery. it tells you that there was a slowdown and a real -- i think the word to use was a standstill in hiring that happened in may and june. what we're going to be looking for, by the way, next week is the beginning of earnings season to try to see that in the slow growth economy companies found a way to make money again. >> steve also says companies are hoping to see more confidence in the part of consumers before they have the confidence to start hiring. casey an thrown is refusing to see her mother. records for the orange county jail in orlando show that casey denied a visit last night requested by her mom, cindy. instead she accepted a visit from her attorney jose baez and other members of her defense team. meanwhile, public emotion running extremely high still following her acquittal on murder charges. a handful of states are now considering new legislation called caylee's law. joining me live now dominik daccico.
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thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> did you describe what caylee's law would do? >> it would make it a crime in the third degree if an adult has knowledge that a child is missing or is harmed and fails to report that fact to the police within 48 hours. >> okay. now, it makes perfect sense, but is this really the kind of thing that mandates a law? >> it does, and i'll tell you why. first of all, i was surprised it wasn't already on the books. the problem as was evident in the casey anthony trial was the failure to report the child missing for 30 days resulted in the body not being discovered for almost six months. as a result, all key evidence was lost at that point, and, unfortunately, justice in many people's mind, mine included, was not served as a result of that. >> had this been a law, casey would have perhaps served more time then because she was convicted about lying. she would think this would nicely dovetail into this law, and she would be convicted on a charge of this. if so, how much jail time might
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she have seen? >> under our proposed law it would be three years, but actually the purpose of the law support only that, but also to get the other adult involved in this incident to have come forward sooner for fear that they would face the consequences for their silence. >> it would have a broad net here. anybody with contact, anybody with knowledge, anybody who was aware of a child being miss being they would have to report this? >> well, actually the bills that still work in progress, but right now it's any caretaker of the children as drafted. >> how much do you think, dominik, that this came up as a result of the casey anthony verdict? you have at least six states now considering this law. >> oh, it's clearly driven by the verdict. there is no doubt about it. my constituents flooded the office with calls after the verdict. >> yeah. you can about imagine. okay. new jersey state assemblyman, thank you for your time. >> thank you, alex. historic end. a live report from london on the final 24 hours before a popular british newspaper shuts down.
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♪ ♪ grass is really greener >> and after years of trouble, the sweet sounds of success for the music industry. how stars like katy perry played a part in the rebound. f!
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while the broader economy is painfully slow, ford needs 1,800 workers to build its ford escape. nearly 6,000 people tried up to try their luck at landing a job. positions pay about $15 an hour. of the 1,800 jobs, about 800 positions are expected to be filled by current ford workers or some recently laid off ones. it has been seven years the since the music industry saw a rise in sales, but that song looks like it's about to change. a number of performers have been
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ringing in it is sales this year with one young album. our rock star vera gibbons has the details on that. >> right. >> good morning to you. how much better is that 2011 year? >> a bit better if you look at the first half of the year versus 2010. 155 million albums sold, which is up from 154 million. doesn't sound like much because it's only a 1% gain, but this is an industry that hasn't figured out a way to capitalize by selling music on-line, and i think they're faebl starting to get it. more people are buying this way. this is the way to go. they're learning about it through social media. the music industry, which is as you pointed out, been dealing with declining revenues for years, is seeing a turnaround. it's welcome news for them. >> there's gaga there, and we've been seeing katie perry. adel is one of them. >> 21 is the best selling album
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so far. >> even more than lady gaga. >> a phenomenal success. not bigot music industry, but my niece knows all of her songs. it's huge. she's doing 20,000 to 30,000 single digital downloads a week. >> that's huge. >> just huge. eminem is also big too in terms of digital sales. he passed the million dollar mark very early on. beyonce, lady gaga huge, mumford and sons. they're seeing some success stories, for sure. >> it's a brave new world with all the technology out there, and are there signs of life in the music industry outside just the digital? >> that's where you are seeing the primary growth is all digital. digital up 10%, 11%. cat lag sales are also up, which is interesting, and vinyl sales also up. >> really? >> over 40%. i think that's interesting. even the people the digital music, this is a new way to buy music, everybody is doing it, people go vinyl because they say the sound quality is better. the real people who love music say vinyl is the way to go. >> sounds kind of retro. >> it's very retro. betty white is back, and so is vinyl.
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>> very cool. thank you. >> thanks, alex. from a runaway dote both to a runaway horse. it was like a scene from the movie "the mummy." on tuesday a massive dust storm hits parts of arizona. it caught many people by surprise. it was reported to be so bad. it ran 50 miles wild and pushed more than 60 miles an hour. it dock days for the dust to settle. check out a way ward boat in wisconsin. it ran in circles for hours on monday after the owner got tossed into the water by a big wave. he wasn't hurt. he was picked up by another boat. the boat eventually came to a stop. sfwlirchlgts another runaway. a horse in ohio got loose from a farm, and then it ran about eight miles along a highway last kweek woosh this most energetic horse, appropriately named am java, got tired and was safely captured. in canada a strange find in the sea. this lobster looks like it's been cooked, but it's still alive. they only occur once in every
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ten million lobsters. this one has been named mutein, will avoid the boiling water and a move to a nature center is in the cards where he can live out the rest of his years. i'm saying it's a he. what do you think, vera? >> it looks like a he. ken is what it eats. [ jim ] this seal verifies we feed my fresh all-natural chickens an all-vegetarian diet including corn, soybeans, and marigolds. no animal by-products. no meat and bone meal. when you put my chicken on the table, you know where it came from.
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direction. hearing the little boy screaming for his daddy after he had fallen and then being home with my kids really hit home last night. >> rangers president nolan ryan says he has spoken with stone's widow, but said she is worried about the impact the tragedy is having on her son. meantime, her community is coming together in the memory of her husband. kxas reporter kim fisher has more from dallas. >> we walk into fire together, walked out, did our job. he was a wonderful person. >> reporter: people from across the community have been volunteering their team to cook and sell barbecue to raise money for the family lieutenant shannon stone left behind. he made a career out of fighting fires out of station number 2, but his heart belonged to his wife and their 6-year-old son. >> he was a great family man. wee bring cooper over here on his days off, and he would go to meetings that the chief would have, and he would take his
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6-year-old son with him. he would sit right beside him. >> reporter: flags in brownwood are lowered to half staff and fellow firefighters have set up a memorial outside the fire station. stone was twice voted firefighter of the year, and won a distinguished service medal from rescuing a woman from a burning building. he even responded in the aftermath of 9/11 in new york. >> somebody who went out there every day and put his life on the line for others, and, you know, i suppose there's some irony there and that's what makes it so difficult to accept is, you know, he did have such a dangerous job, and then to have lost his life in this nature is difficult. >> that was kim fisher from our nbc station in dallas reporting. overseas now, it is a scandal that has rocked rupert murdock's core and sent shock waves through the publishing industry. the firm is now preparing the last edition of et cetera "news of the world" paper. the tabloid it at the center of the celebrity phone hacking scandal. pierce simmons is live with more. what is the latest there, kier?
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>> reporter: well, good morning, alex behind me they are preparing that last edition of "news of the world" as one other newspaper today asks whether there is britain's watergate. a story that began with few facts was doggedly pursued by a limited number of journalists, but now it's enveloping one of the world's most powerful men. rirchlg as the scandal that brought down one of his best selling newspapers threatens to damage more of his media empire, rupert murdock will fly into the u.k. today. some are even you suggesting his own son, james murdock, could face prosecution. yesterday two top former employees were arrested. an editor who once served as the prime minister's communication director, and a reporter who served prison time back in 2007 when victims included celebrities and members of the royal family. the claim that people's privacy was invaded, their cell phone voice mails listened to, described as phone hacking.
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britain's prime minister vowing no stone will be left unturned. >> that these people could have had their phones hacked into in order to generate stories for a newspaper is simply disgusting. >> among the 4,000 potential phone hacking victims whose names or numbers have now been turned over to the police, families of murder victims, terror attack victims, and fallen soldiers. tony phillipson just found out that his son, james, who died in afghanistan in 2006 may have had not only his cell phone tapped into by the "news of the world" but also his e-mail. >> they hacked into a dead soldier. it's despicable. what else can you say? what on earth did they think they were going to find? >> reporter: in words of the prime minister, people trust the police to protect them. politicians to represent them. and press to inform them. and, he says, the british public has been failed by all three.
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>> we're now hearing that ru period of time murdock will fly into the u.k. tomorrow as this scandal threatens to spread. to spread to the united states where one of his most senior executives now runs dow jones in new york, but used to run the operation here, and possibly to spread to other newspapers. it is no exaggeration to say that this scandal threatens british tabloid journalism as we know it. >> okay. kier simmons, lots on the line here. thank you very much, from london. independence day for the youngest nation in the world. tens of thousands of people turned out to celebrate south sudan's formal declaration of independence. southern sudan voted overwhelmingly split from the north in a january referendum. in italy a vigil was held by protesters upset about plans to build a high speed rail line linking the country to france. they are upset about the drilling. they claim it can cause potentially harmful materials to be released from the atmosphere.
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in spain a company opened a power station where electricity is generated by ocean waves. says the first of the kind in the world. the station will provide enough electricity to power 250 homes. sfwlirchlgts in brazil an 11-year-old boy known for being a human magnet is getting a lot of attention. he seems to be able to attract spoons, scizzors, even cameras to his torso. the boy and his father demonstrating his ability by placing a pot on his chest. what is that about? anyway, the tsa is stepping up security this weekend after a new terror warning. the department of homeland security issued a bulletin this week after a threat of so-called body bombs. explosives surgically implanted inside the bodies of would-be terrorist wrshz i'm joined now live by cindy fargas, former undersecretary of intelligence and analysis at homeland security. good morning to you. thank you for being here. >> good morning, alex. s it's a pleasure to be with you this morning. >> i have to ask you, is this a new tactic on the part of would-be terrorists? and if so, is there any reason
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for the stepped up security now? >> it really isn't a new tactic. we have seen this threat evolve over the years, and if you look back at how the bombs have been in place throughout the threats to aviation, they start out in luggage. they move to liquid -- ideas with the liquid plots. they move on it other things. as soon as we put in methods and ways to approach the threat, they're going to adapt and evolve. we face a very adaptive enemy, and that's why we must maintain the layered security approach that we have in place today to address these threats in the most effective way possible. there is no one technology -- there's no one way that will get all of the threats that face us. >> so, cindy, how exactly would this body bomb work? >> well, from what we have seen, they have to actually surgically implant the explosive within the body, and then, of course, you have to have something that detonates that. this is not a very easy
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approach, and this is not something that can easily be done. we have seen, of course, in the past if you remember a few years ago the dogs that had surgically implanted and tried to get on a plane, get them on a plane in iraq to come to the united states. there have been efforts to at least experiment with this. one aspect you also have to consider is this can be a way to get us nervous and scared and then to overreact in a way that the terrorists win by the way we react. >> you know, it's interesting. if anybody saw the film "the dark knight" there is a depiction in that film of bombs surgically implanted and then it's done by remote cell phone calls. it rings and goes off. that just immediately sprung to mind. is it conceivable that this could really work? >> i really don't know technically if that could work because there's so much involved with whether something is inside, so, again, the idea is to focus on the multiple layers that we have and focus on the person. it isn't about an object. it isn't about a particular way
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to look at either using single technology or single thing that someone might do. we have to look for those kinds of things that are out of place, to look for people and the travel patterns and how they're acting in an airport and to test for explosive trace detections and to really focus on looking at the person rather than looking that might pose the most risk, rather than looking at everyone the same way. >> you know, the tsa says it's increasing security, cindy. i am assuming it's doing everything it can already, one would hope. >> well, what is in place with the laird security approach is something that is sustainable, but different in different places because you don't want something that is so predictable that anybody who is watching or monitoring will understand where to exploit a vulnerability because something is always the same. they will take different measures and different places that are maybe increased patdowns or increased discussions with passengers.
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there may be an increased presence of canine detection -- explosive detection teams, and there may be an increased law enforcement presence. it will vary by location. we're not doing this alone. this is done in an international global aviation security approach, which is imperative, because the threat isn't just here. >> yeah. >> which is a big concern. >> absolutely. cindy, thank you for joining us. appreciate that. >> thank you very much. the royal visit to los angeles. on how they're being treated in the u.s. after getting rock star reacceptings in canada. and what that feels like. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms... by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. and it's steroid-free. spiriva does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma,
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a new tactic in cracking down on illegal downloads. the country's top web providers are going to give warnings to users they suspect of stealing content. those warnings will have progressively harder consequences and ultimately their internet connection could be slowed down to a crawl. providers have the right to cut off service to any violators. think it's too early for back to school sales?
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most retailers don't think so. toys-r-us are offering pack to lunch. others like target, wal-mart, and office depot have either started sales or will be starting by sunday. the national retail federation says the back to school sales bring in about $55 billion each year. our electric and hybrid cars too quiet? the national highway traffic safety administration has put a requirement on the noise system on the cars. it would work under conditions like slow speed, backing up, or turning. after an eventful nine-day tour of canada the duke and duchess of cambridge attended a polo match and black tie event of the british academy of film and british arts. royals contributor neil sean is joining me live from london with the latest. good saturday morning to you, neil. snoo hi, alex. how are you? i have missed you. >> i was so darn glad to know that you were here. let's talk about the reception
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to the royals arrival there in los angeles. how much american fanfare do you think this visit has produced? >> well, you know, i mean, really the successive calendar has been phenomenal for them. i do know from very good sources that kate is particularly concerned about how she's going to be perceived by the american public and her american fans. you know, she is following what could possibly be the greatest living woman we have known, princess diana. it's a tough call to do. so far she hasn't put a foot wrong. have i to laugh about the clothes that she's wearing because she's designer -- the not designer clothes are all accessible. every sort of outfit is over 1 thoughts pounds, so about $2,000. i don't know what girls have that spare cash knocking around. it's still quite hefty. >> i think we're going to be looking for those royal knockoffs. let's talk about where they're staying in los angeles accident because they have good friends. you have elton john and dave and victoria beckham. thech their home in southern california as wrl. they're not staying with them.
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why not? where are they staying? >> well, that's simply because of security. as you saw, david beckham has become a very good close friend with william and kate. of course, victoria and david attended the wedding. i thought it was a nice touch that he was there to welcome them. you know, they didn't go to the party afterwards, they looked very dapper. there's nothing like having a good-looking man as you come down the airplane to meet you. and, of course, you have steven frye too. it was very british the way they were introduced to america. basically where they're saying is more security-led. not that the beckhams would have a problem or steven frye, but i think it's a shrewd move by them because then whatever you do, they're not relying on one person. a bit of inside gossip, as ever. think about this. they're just about to leave los angeles as victoria beckham may be giving birth to her latest addition to the family, a baby girl. >> that could come at any time now. you have to wonder about the security and that beautiful posh
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home there, the british console general. can you imagine getting your house ready for them to come? i cannot even begin to imagine. i mean really. >> i think, you know, they are used to guests of this caliber, of course. what i am amazed about is how fresh they look after such a demanding schedule in canada. you know, the water rafting, you know, kate still looks sensational. everybody is looking at her and saying, wow. you know, there's some rather crude comments yesterday here in the british press because she has fantastic hair, but apparently she was dismayed recently because she found apparently a few loose gray hairs. i'm dreading that moment myself. >> oh, come on. all right. then they go and do the polo match for charity, right? in santa barbara later today. is that on the schedule? >> that's part of the schedule later today. apparently a big event. you have to have lie the of money if you want to attend. i think the big showcase piece in my opinion is going to be, of course, at the sony studios
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where there will be british stars there. that's going to be the big event. it will be interesting to see who they are bringing to meet them. there's a lot of british productions filming right now in los angeles, but whether, you know theshgs decide to actually -- i think they should bring out some of the bigger american stars, so i think you can expect the likes of tom hanks, speilberg, maybe sdwrula roberts may come out of hybernation. it will be a good moment. >> i can imagine. you know what, i'm betting kate and wills will still be the stars of the show, no matter who shows up. as you are with us, thank you so much. neil sean, good to see you. thanks. >> take care, bye-bye. zirchlg the final flight on the space shuttle. did the program run its course, or was it too expensive? that story next on msnbc saturday. we set our goals higher than anyone.
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the crew of the atlantis space shuttle is awake for the first full day of its final msh the astronauts were awakened from the music of cold play and greetings from their ground crew. friday's launch went perfectly as atlantis lifted off from the
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kennedy space center. joining me to talk about all things atlantis, good morning to you, dave brodie. i'm glad to see you. i guess i wanted to figure out why this is ending. the shuttle program has run its course? has it become too expensive? both? >> exactly. both are true. the shuttle program did everything that it came to do, and magnificently, i will say. >> yeah. >> this thing cost a lot of money. yesterday's launch, $1,500,000,00. we were promised a vehicle that was going to launch 50 times a year for under $10 million a launch. the mission managers knew they were never going to get those kind of efficiencies out of the vehicles. they kept quiet about it, being good company guys and we the people never asked. shame on all of us. >> interesting. you talk about the expense. i know so many jobs were lost -- or will be lost officially very, very soon as they retire the program. >> i hope that some of those jobs will immediately transfer
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into the new commercial space program that could emerge if the congress of the united states will allow it to emerge. because, you know, those folks are just the best on earth. not only the astronauts who are the most visible, but the folks that run the program. what i will miss the most is listening on the loop to all of the teamwork that goes on. it's really an incredible culture. it does deserve to be preserved, but it also needs to be changed. >> there have been suggestions we're about to enter a lost decade or so with regard to the space program. there are others who have refuted that. do wr do you stand? >> i'm with the refuters. that was mike griffin who said that. i'm more with the new nasa administration who is seeing what president obama wants to do, which is let's have some technology breakthroughs. let's make nasa do what it's supposed to do, which is to explore the universe, leave the trucking function to private commercial, and if that model makes it through, and, again, you know, it's having some trouble in congress, but if if that model is put into place, yes, we could see an xwred wli
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bright future, not just for exploration, but also for science which is something you don't hear a lot bshg but that's where an awful lot of stuff has been done. >> there's been invasions in the shutting program. talking about improved digital cameras, cell phones, led lighting. a lot of that technology was developed with the shuttle. >> it was developed in the shuttle era, but, you know, the truth of it is, there was some of that, but the shuttle -- the flow began to work the other way. the shuttle was by far more the beneficiary of off the shelf technologies developed by computer industry, microelectronic sensors and by nasa's own science program. that's where the spinoffs came from and got built into the skrek. it wasn't a technology program. >> you talk about exploration. there's been discussion about returning to the moon, going to an asteroid, going to mars. >> yeah. >> that's talk. do you think these are feasible goals? >> they're absolutely feasible goals. we have proven that we can get around places in the inner solar system. now there needs to be a will to do it.
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we have to find an economic model that allows us to do it that's more than just a jobs program. that's the way nasa has been run to its detriment for the last 30 years. it really should be a technology stimulus program. yes, we should go to mars, but that should be for breakthrough technologies. go back to the moon. as resides, fascinating places. not only are they coming to kill is, but they're also resource. also deeper plays in the solar system. europa, fascinating place. we can get there if we build a space infrastructure that's based on smart technologies, instead of running essentially a welfare program here on earth. >> okay. well, dave brodie, space.com, thanks for weighing in. >> my pleasure. theme park investigation. a man falls often a roller coaster and dies. what went wrong? plus, casey anthony refuses a jailhouse visit from her mom, cindy, as she awaits her release from jail. that's all next on msnbc saturday. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans,
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